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Please listen to the Canterbury Ensemble Modern performance of Poppe "new German Talent"!
and answer or my questions
1) There i some of you likes , enjoys, rates bearable this "stuff"?
2) If the Modern Guys play some wrong notes who could tell? Poppe not for shure (I have met him by chance)
3) DO you think this is doing good or harming the "cause"of contemporary classical music today
It happens by any chance that I am quite a "hard core ""contemporary composer" myself but pleas egive me a break!
Rob
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Rob!
There doesn’t appear to be a link or any information regarding where this recording exists...
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Sorry mate,
BBC RADIO 3 New Music Podcast on line
Sorry again
Rob.
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I eventually found it. Here is the url:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ss1y9
I have not listened to the piece all the way through. the style is the usual, but I found the sounds attractive and it has a certain almost [but not quite] honest purity or simplicity about it. I will listen to some more
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Sorry only got around to listening to it now.
I don’t know how you were expecting people to react to it, but I liked it. The only thing that really caught me off guard was the way the piece started, but that only made me like it more.
I feel reluctant to answer your questions for numerous reasons but here goes:
1) Yes
2) No, but what is a note? What is the most important aspect of a note? The exact pitch, exact rhythm, the expression etc. I don’t think this ensemble would have played too many wrong notes (if any) and even when musicians of this calibre play “wrong notes” it isn’t completely wrong. It might be the wrong pitch but the rhythm and expression might be correct so is it such a disaster?
3) No
Am I to assume that you didn't like the piece?
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ps my last answer is equal to 'no comment' 
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Actually, not commenting is worse than commenting.
Of course it is doing contemporary music good! Any piece that is well crafted, original and sincere in its approach and execution (which this piece is) furthers and develops contemporary music. It is when composers are too self-conscious and are not sincere in their actions they begin to damage ‘the scene’.
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"when musicians of this calibre play “wrong notes” it isn’t completely wrong. It might be the wrong pitch but the rhythm and expression might be correct so is it such a disaster?"
For me it is, and as far as it happens I know and have worked with many musicians of this calibre, let me tell you that if they miss the shot is because they do not care and if they do not care there is something inside the music that makes them to do so...for Mr Poppe Music is an object to look at from outside without any kind of passion and devotion. This is why he treats it like an object and lets it be damaged by himself using it! There is a strange attitude going on in the Continental hard side of the EU made up of perfect writing technique with no attention to what the real out come really is. Once Bernard Lang , a guy who is out of the box from the beginning confessed to me that when he was testing many composers for a masterclass, most of them could not recognize an f sharp major chords from a diminished one...I can bet , and I know him because he dares to conduct as well , like many of his stature, that he cannot tell if many of the notes they were playing were right or wrong .. just to end I think I disagree with your statement: a pitch is pitch but a note is pitch plus something ... if you take away the pitch than you do not have the same note anymore or do you like writing functions with no numbers and let kids play with them? tons of music like this with the same outcome , one premiere than forgotten and audience clapping just for the sake of it and performers laughing at how the composer are lost now a day !
Before dying Nono said : next time I am using only half note, may be one is too much!
Bah!
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Yes, there is no denying that if the pitch is changed then it is a different 'note'. I wasn’t answering the question in relation to my compositional philosophy, but rather in relation to your question and, therefore, from a listeners view.
“If the Modern Guys play some wrong notes who could tell? Poppe not for shure (I have met him by chance)”
To which I answered;
"when musicians of this calibre play “wrong notes” it isn’t completely wrong. It might be the wrong pitch but the rhythm and expression might be correct so is it such a disaster?"
i.e. when a musician of this calibre plays a wrong note he/she usually does not communicate this mistake to the listener so it probably won’t be perceived so is it such a disaster?
Notice the question mark!!!
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Sorry.
Let me emphasis before you answer that I was asking a question, not making a statement.
I am not willing to respond to your comment above. I tried to interact with you but it is clear that engaging with you is not worthwhile or productive and perhaps even damaging.
Best Wishes
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The last two contributors are here by false pretences. They are cheats. They are no friends of music. They are here to try and make money out of us. If they don't leave us alone, they should be thrown out.
[One wants you to buy hair restorer, the other antibiotics]
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The link was provided long ago. When these two jokers referred to it, they knew this. [The link of course long since went dead]
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This is another scandalous piece of commercialism. I appeal to the webmaster to expel people who have no reason to visit this site except to reach into the pockets of genuine visitors.
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You are not alone in being disgusted by these useless and failed attempts at trying to direct traffic to their website. It is such a pity that nothing is being done by those who run this website to show that they give a damn. If I had not renewed my subscription I would not have any reason to visit and, therefore, get annoyed by these ‘ads’.
24 days of paid subscription left.
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