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  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  composer1981 at 13:12 on 26 June 2008
 

I am not sure if I accept composer1981's implied distinction between imagination and technique.....


Dear Misuc,

Allow me to clarify: I believe that imagination originates from talent. Technique is the ability to translate the musical ideas onto paper and make it correspond to the music in the composer's head. Composers learn various ways of doing so, either in school or by private lessons, etc.

I hope this is a clearer statement.
Thank you for reading.
Respectfully Yours;

  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  Misuc at 13:40 on 26 June 2008
 

So is the problem with Zelenka that he could not notate his musical ideas properly? Or was it that he didn't have enough? [Or rather that he didn't question them enough?)




  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  Ben Mueller-Heaslip at 13:50 on 26 June 2008
 

Misuc: I can't access the Liadov pieces you linked to. I think you have to be a member of the site you're getting them from.

I'm certainly familiar with a very limited range, and only of his piano music. While I admit there might be some remarkable exceptions, Satie and Webern - while being very much of their time - achieved a rare thing by creating music unique enough to project beyond their historical context. I'm not sure a composer like Liadov shares that particular quality.


  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  composer1981 at 13:50 on 26 June 2008
 

So is the problem with Zelenka that he could not notate his musical ideas properly? Or was it that he didn't have enough? [Or rather that he didn't question them enough?)


Ha-ha!...:-) To be precice, I believe Zelenka didn't have enough imagination to realize what potential his ideas hold (or don't) and he didn't have enough technique to realize (here "realize" is used in terms of "execute") the potential of the ideas he did have.

Notation per se is a common problem with unexperienced composers - I believe Zelenka's problem was not so much notation, but the simple fact that he couldn't write enticing counterpoint!...:-)

This is, of course, just my opinion!
Thank you for replying!
Respectfully Yours;

Edit: P. S. I also can't access the Liadov pieces.

  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  Misuc at 15:30 on 26 June 2008
 

I am sorry about the Liadov clips. I can't get them from here, either. I don't think I'm a member of anything though. I just downloaded them this morning and yes - I may have had to join something in the process.

Mind you, I can't hear any of the CT samples either at the moment!!!

Now I feel like saying something nice about Zelenka..... Hmm......can't think of anything

  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  Misuc at 15:31 on 26 June 2008
 

I am sorry about the Liadov clips. I can't get them from here, either. I don't think I'm a member of anything though. I just downloaded them this morning and yes - I may have had to join something in the process.

Mind you, I can't hear any of the CT samples either at the moment!!!

Now I feel like saying something nice about Zelenka..... Hmm......can't think of anything

  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  Robert Paterson at 16:09 on 26 June 2008
 

music is not a BUSINESS. BUSINESS is the death of music.


Wow - really? What about Bach, Handel, Ives, Richard Strauss and Stravinsky? All great composers and great businessmen.

I often write music that is somewhat difficult, yet I still want to reach my audience. I think it is easier to write difficult works than it is to write easy music that encapsulates your compositional voice. It's pretty common to hide behind highly-developed technique and blame performers for not carrying off your ideas.

Although I see both sides, and I really think there's room for all of this, I do think some composers are afraid of "dumbing down," or of writing music that doesn't bust performer's chops. It's almost like they think they'll be looked at as sissies if they write music that is playable by non-professionals or incorporates melody or comprehensible form.

Having said that, in the U.S., most choirs are pretty conservative. There, I said it, but I really believe it's true.

A lot of food for thought here, just wanted to add my 2 cents.

  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  Misuc at 17:37 on 26 June 2008
 

Great composer/businessmen:

Bach? (never did any business with anybody). Handel? went bust. Ives? Well, I don't know if he made such a determined have-a-go dog's dinner of his insurance business as he did out of his symphonies, but if so he was once again the great trend-setter for modern big business. Strauss? was president of Hitler's Music ministry - the state nowadays is always the best source of profitable commissions - the taxpayer pays - and of course it helps if the state kills off your rivals. Stravinsky? OK He was able to twist something out of the real money makers, but he didn't make 1/100th the amount that the Dutch Pension Fund managers (Boosey & Hawkes) are making out of his music to this day.

By all means get what you can. in a capitalist world you might as well take advantage of the opportunities it offers (and it does offer some for some people) while it is polluting the air, poisoning the water, exhausting the earth massacring and enslaving populations and destroying civilisations.

But my comment was directed at James' remark that he was miffed that we don't all realise that music IS a business. Use business, certainly, but don't write music as a business. Even Ives refused to mix business with composition. Read again the posting from which you extracted this quotation of mine. I said: "if you want to feed your family (etc.) then get a job" (or run a business) "but if you want to compose, compose what you want." I think all the composers you mention would agree (except perhaps Handel - but business was a different thing then). Ives would have agreed 100%. Was he afraid of being thought a "sissie"?

As a customer I wouldn't give 2 cents for your contribution to our enlightenment, but then businessmen are not really in it for the enlightenment of others are they?

  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  ruska02 at 12:18 on 27 June 2008
 

I need to say , even if I am incredibly busy working with a lot of musicians and composer to build out what will be the Eurosonus Project that what James McFadyen wrote is what was at the very origin of some of my posts here so:

Please and I say please get out of here!
Please and I say please you and your pure harmony and melodies get out of here!
Please Misuc, Scott and Nicolas don't you all thing there is something that is working on our
"intelligent" and "academic" differences that so often put one against the other to kill us all.
Don' t you think we really need to find a common ground to gather and to react against what
is the gross form of what once was called "intellectual emptiness" ..Misuc the word youuse so often lately id perfect here...these are real "nazionalsocialist ideas".

Anyway : James McFadyen you are my enemy , really , and I will not wait the stream to pass by to get rid of you and your ideas!

Check out for news!
RR



  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  Misuc at 15:38 on 27 June 2008
 

I have not used that actual word ever, and, while I can't agree with James, I do not think he has shown any signs of Nazism. You have to be very precise - even - or especially - when you are strongly objecting to what somebody is saying: even when you are e or less direct quotes from people who acknowledge themselves as actual fSCISTS'swearing'. I have no interest in quarreling with him or you for its own sake. I used the word 'fascist' in relation to dome things you said some time ago only because they were more or less direct quotes from people who acknowledge themselves as actual fascists.
of the moment

But that is old history. People say silly things in the heat of the moment. Maybe you did - maybe I did too. body of getting rid of anyin favour

I am not in favourof getting rid of anybody from a discussion forum. I want to discuss things


  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  James McFadyen at 22:11 on 27 June 2008
 

Roberto, you crossed a line, mate and that is truly unacceptable.

An apology would be nice. After all we are composers not world dictators!

  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  ruska02 at 02:17 on 28 June 2008
 


I do truly apologize , humbly . music publisher!

After all I am only a time wasting human being, unable to write music and
damaging city walls...like in Brighton at Soundawave Festival this saturaday
when my "Lamentatione" will be damaging everybody ears with its dirty harmony
and untuned souls "not melodic lines"...played by another wasting time musician like
David Alberman who is ruining everybody attitude touring the world with the
best UK Symphony Orchestra and Conductors and sometime solo proposing my music
which day afte day goes just agains every single word , and may be note if any, you have written.

Hail publisher
"Hic sunt Leones!"

if you cannot connect with ordinary everyday souls then your wasting your time as a composer my friend.

..and think that I also feed my children writing this "corrupted souls" music ...misuc silverman..

.-)

Watch out Eurosunus coming for everybody interested in shaping the future.. wasting his time!
with "dirty Harmonies "Gesualdo , "never able to write a melody" Beethoven and "polarizing splattered colors" Webern (Anton) ...and all the guys who love them...

Ciao Ciao!

  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  Account Closed at 08:36 on 28 June 2008
 

I must say that I am horrified by some of the things which have been said in this thread, whether in jest or otherwise. There is such a thing as RESPECT - whether I like other people's music or not, and whether they like mine or not, is irrelevant. I would always respect the skills and talents of others, and I would expect them to do likewise.

This is not a competition, this is supposed to be a website on which we can share and explore composition of all kinds whether it is to our taste or otherwise. What was a sensible conversation has been taken over......as my subscription to this site is coming up for renewal soon, I would seriously consider whether I wanted to renew it if this is going to be the kind of discussions we have; little more than the distruction of other people's work, and personal attacks against them.

Surely, that is not what the majority of us are here for?

  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  Tim at 13:23 on 29 June 2008
 

And I agree Completely with David, What started out as a interesting thread seems to have become a place where some composers feel it is perfectly acceptable to attack others.
Well I feel that is totally unnaceptable - Surely what is important is that Composers Compose, in whatever style they want and for whatever reason they want, It is difficult enough to bring 'New music ' to the attention of the public without Composers sniping at each other.
Vaughan Williams considered that writing for amateurs and providing performance opportunities for them was a ideal to be treasured, and I agree, whether it be Davids Choir or whoever, lets not forget that over 80% of music making in the UK is made possible by amateurs - and that it is a privelege to create music that is useful and yes sometimes challenging for them.
And lets not forget Bach - writing for the demands of the liturgy, the needs of his church and the forces at his disposal, - Is that not as worthy a reason to compose as any other.
And James with his excellent arrangements,- why should he not bring fine examples of music into the playing arena of other instrumentalists and surely if he is selling them and they are being performed is that not proof that they are welcomed, and not a reason to attack him.
For four years I ran the Yorkshire Composers Festival weekend aimed at bringing New Music from Yorkshire Composers to the attention of the public, Over 50 new works were presented to the public - there were no restrictions as to style etc .. Did everyone like all the pieces, - Of course not, Did I, again of course not - but they all deserved a hearing, One of my friends is the Yorkshire Composer Nick williams - Nick's music is influenced by Andriessen and I have to say that sometimes I find it 'difficult' to listen to, but I also am aware as a musician of the skill, talent and quality of his work and am delighted to have him as a friend, I have made this known to him on several occasions rather than attacking him because his music and mine are completely different.
It seems to me that when most publishers are reluctant to do anything in the Choral Market, that Boosey are to be commended on their new series, and whilst ( forgive me if I am wrong,) all David was actually saying was that it wasnt suitable for his choir, he wasnt condemning it.


  Re: Boosey`s Emerging Composer Program  Account Closed at 13:26 on 29 June 2008
 

Well said!

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